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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : Police FA control has a lot of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=742">JasonEdward</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 5:29pm<br /><br />Police FA control has a lot of inconsistent madness - if they want to control the pistols then put them on a FAL. I'm not saying they should make everything restricted to FAL holders at all, but I am saying don't use an arbitrary "NO!" decision to not issue permits to stop legitimate law-abiding Kiwis from having fun.&nbsp;<br><br>Seems a lot like the fee because I let my "lifetime" FAL expire while shifting around a lot so they couldn't track me - or didn't try hard enough...then they charge me literally double the fee to re-sit the FAL quiz/vetting etc<br><br><div>Yes that's double what a new applicant would cost and that's before the Chch maniac and new system.<br><br>Me to the cop telling me this bad news: "So you are going to charge double to me who has had a FAL for over 40 years without issue?"<br><br>Cop said "Yes"<br><br>Me: "Why?"</div><div><br>Cop: "Because you have possessed FAs without a licence."<br><br>Me; "Not after I knew - I immediately put them in the secure storage with my brother who has a current FAL.""<br><br>Pause.&nbsp;<br><br>Me:&nbsp;"So you are charging me an arbitrary penalty for which I have no easy legal recourse, even though you know I have safely used and possessed firearms for much of my life?"<br><br>Cop: " I wouldn't say that."<br><br>Me lives in a small town so I sure as hell don't want to fall out with the local (then) FA Officer Cop so I shut the fcuk up and didn't suggest that the fee I had to pay seemed a lot like facism to me or similarly kick up a stink but I really wanted to to.<br><br>But it does seem to me that we air-gun and FA enthusiasts are under attack for all of the wrong reasons - mainly because of TV and movies and gun abuse in the U.S. even though each and every bad FA maniac killer incident in NZ was committed with military man-killers that in my view should never have been let in the country anyway because they attract the wrong people and are useless for anything but posers and killers. A Ruger 10/22 can do anything an AK47 can do for target shooters.<br><br>Except deer cullers operating from helicopters way back when a semi-auto larger caliber rifle may have been the best for the job - I'd be OK with them getting special permits to use and possess.&nbsp;<br><br><br>But instead we flooded the country with weapons designed to kill and maim humans where bolt action larger caliber rifles are much better for all legal purposes and now law-abiding gun users are paying the price.<br><br>There are a lot of seemingly arbitrary decisions being made to punish or restrict the law-abiding because there is zero evidence the too heavy-handed FA legislation is going to help public safety.<br><br>But it seems that it is now politically incorrect to use barrel driven projectiles in NZ and for that reason resistance is probably futile.<br><br>Slightly irrelevant rant over. Sorry team - I just can't help myself. Illogical PC madness drives me crazy.<br>:-)</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by JasonEdward - 07&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 5:38pm</span>]]>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : Yes, CS4i is good. Easily tops...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=630">Grey Kiwi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 10:40am<br /><br /><div>Yes, CS4i is good. Easily tops up my tiny 220cc cylinder on the 9015.</div><div>The water cooling was what made me buy it, plus good reviews online.</div><div>The only maintenance ever needed is to clean the check valve now and then.</div><div>But the Coltri is too good to pass up.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 10:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : The Coltri looks good.Have you...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Pauly5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 10:20am<br /><br />The Coltri looks good.<div><br></div><div>Have you found the CS4i good? I have one of those and a first gen Airbow as a back up. The CS4i has been really good for me with no issues at all.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 10:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : I have looked at the Magair site,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=630">Grey Kiwi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 10:05am<br /><br /><div>I have looked at the Magair site, and yes...Steyr.</div><div>Can't afford a Steyr at the moment. I've been offered a Coltri compressor which I think I will grab (I have a few fellow club members who are now looking at air guns instead of rimfire for our BR. Will be needing extra air to help them out for a while).</div><div>Will flick off my GX CS4i then and that will help rebuild the funds!</div><div>I'd like to keep the CS4i as a back up, but living in a retirement unit there is not a lot of spare space.</div><div>I'll put it up on here once I reach the requirements for Buy/Sell.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 10:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : I applied recently to import a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=658">KiwiTR6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 9:02pm<br /><br /><div>I applied recently to import a PCP pistol but my application was denied even though it was a single shot model which I intended to use at our local range.&nbsp; My appeal was declined and&nbsp; my complaint to the PCA got zero traction.&nbsp; An appeal though the courts was an option but this was going to cost me an estimated $1500-$2000 for a gun that was going to cost $700 landed.&nbsp; My reading of the situation is that because PCP pistols don't require an FAL to own in NZ (currently), our enforcement agency uses the import permit system as a means to control and limit the number in circulation.</div><div><br></div><div>That is not to say that you won't succeed with an application, but I have my doubts as the main airgun retailer here tells me that he is unable to get a permit to import multi-shot CO2 pistols.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I have previously imported three PCP rifles and have another sitting in Customs currently.&nbsp; Of course, all of these have been added to the Firearms Register so they know where they are.</div><div><br></div><div>Re the Precihole, I understand they are an Indian made product that have been taken up by Air Arms in the UK as their lower priced offering.&nbsp; The pistol I wanted to import was an Artemis made by SPA, as are a lot of this type of products these days, often the same guns marketed under different brand names.&nbsp; I have a Diana Outlaw .22 which is made by Snow Peak Airguns and it performs very creditably.</div><div><br></div><div>Have you tried contacting Magair in the Waikato?&nbsp; They sell a range of PCP target pistols&nbsp;(Steyr from memory).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 21:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : Yes, too true.It may help that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=630">Grey Kiwi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 7:05pm<br /><br /><div>Yes, too true.</div><div>It may help that I'm in a TSNZ associated club.</div><div>I already know what I want...</div><div><a href="http://https://www.preciholesports.com/air-pistols/pp55-match-pro" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://https://www.preciholesports.com/air-pistols/pp55-match-pro</a></div><div>There is new version due in October, so I will wait.</div><div>On that note...how many folks in NZ have even heard of Precihole?</div><div>They are a big player in India and apparently make some really good gear.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 19:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : British air pistols are generally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=548">mercs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 6:56pm<br /><br />British air pistols are generally 6 ft/lbs or less which is sufficient for 10 metre targets.<div><br></div><div>Even without FAL requirement they remain difficult to import hence the rising value of quality pre-owned units.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 18:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>PCP pistols and FAL required. : Just for your information...I&amp;#039;m...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=630">Grey Kiwi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1219<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2025 at 12:59pm<br /><br /><div>Just for your information...</div><div>I'm wanting to import a target PCP air pistol (.177 cal).<br>Asked the FSA what's needed.<br>Their reply...<br><br>"In response to your question ‘Do I need a pistol endorsement to own and use the PCP target air pistol?’<br><br>- a PCP air pistol and air pistol are both considered a restricted airgun which require a a permit to import with a special reason provided and, the applicant is not required to hold a firearm licence.<br><br> However- a PCP air rifle would be considered a specially dangerous airgun pursuant to section 2 of the Arms Act 1983 and as such a permit to import with a special reason provided and, the applicant is required to hold a current firearm licence".<br><br>I'm a bit surprised about no FAL needed for a PCP air pistol (although target grade pistols are not a high power thing).						<br></div>]]>
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