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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol :   jwabfrog wrote:Hot blueing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=705">BC_Clark</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2026 at 10:05pm<br /><br /><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jwabfrog" alt="Originally posted by jwabfrog" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jwabfrog wrote:</strong><br /><br />Hot blueing seems to be relatilvely straightforward i.e. red hot into engine oil, but you are messing with the steel at red hot temperatures and I don't know enough about tempering to restore its original properties.</td></tr></table><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a legit home shop way of creating a black finish that stops rust, but it is not what they call</div><div>a hot blue for firearms. That is done by immersion into a mixture of molten potassium nitrate</div><div>and sodium hydroxide. It is done around 150C, but the chemicals make it the most hazardous method.</div><div><br></div><div>What they don't tell you with cold blue is to thoroughly boil the parts in water afterwards.</div><div>It converts remaining red oxide to black oxide and removes traces of the liquid blue,</div><div>which will otherwise cause your nice workpiece to keep rusting forever.</div><div>Dry and oil after boiling.</div><div><br></div><div>I've had success parkerising at home. Crack open some zinc-carbon batteries</div><div>for the manganese dioxide. Phosphoric acid is readily available at hardware stores e.g. rust converter.</div><div><br></div><div>But I tend to avoid rustable steel.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : I imagine so. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2026 at 2:44am<br /><br /> I imagine so. ]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol :  Certainly looks do able with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Pauly5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2026 at 9:20pm<br /><br /><div><br></div><div>Certainly looks do able with my limited metal chemistry knowledge.</div><div><br></div><div>Does the bore have to be sealed off so no treatment gets to it? It is a smooth bore FX barrel.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : That was interesting. After reading...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 12:49pm<br /><br /> That was interesting. After reading what nunga put up, i thought that just sounds like rust converter and went into the procedure and chemical reactions. <br /> Not the same, close but different enough to not be feasible at a molecular level for bonding to the steel.<br /> However in the process i got introduced to parkerizing.<br /> What military weapons use for a coating. Not as showy as blueing but all said and done a much more durable coating. Not as rust proof as blueing, but holds an oil coating better. That in itself makes it better at holding the oil, rust proofing it that way.<br /> Where as bluing is based off rust conversation in several thin layers, parkerizing is based off a crystal growth on the metal.<br /> Could be worth a look at pauly. <br /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by kruzaroad - 30&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 12:51pm</span>]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : You could try rust bluing for...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=3">nunga</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 8:38pm<br /><br /><div>You could try&nbsp; rust bluing for your barrel its a fairly simple process. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>## Equipment Needed:<br><br>* Rusting Solution: A commercially available, pre-mixed rust bluing solution (typically a very mild mix of nitric and hydrochloric acids with iron filings).<br>* Degreasing Agent: Acetone or a dedicated industrial degreaser.<br>* Boiling Tank: A clean steel or stainless steel tank long enough to hold the barrel.<br>* Water: Distilled or demineralized water (tap water contains minerals that will ruin the finish).<br>* Carding Brush/Wheel: A specialized ultra-fine (0.002" to 0.003" wire) carding brush or degreased #0000 steel wool.<br><br><br>## The Process:<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Perfect Prep and Degreasing<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Polishing the steel to your desired finish (usually 320 to 400 grit). Put on nitrile gloves. Clean every square millimetre of the metal with acetone. From this point on, never touch the metal with bare skin, as skin oils will cause splotches. &#091;7&#093; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Applying the Solution<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Dampen a clean cotton swab or sponge with the rust bluing solution. Squeeze out the excess so it is barely damp. Apply a very thin, even coat along the barrel in long, single strokes. Do not let the solution puddle or run. &#091;8&#093; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. The Rusting Phase (Damp Cabinet)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Place the barrel in a warm, slightly humid environment (a bathroom after a shower works well) for 1 to 3 hours. A fine, uniform coating of velvet-like red rust ($Fe_2O_3$) will form on the surface. Do not let it rust for too long, or it will pit the metal. &#091;9&#093; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. The Conversion Boil<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Bring a tank of distilled water to a rolling boil. Submerge the rusted barrel for 10 to 15 minutes. The boiling water changes the chemical structure, converting the red iron oxide ($Fe_2O_3$) into black iron oxide ($Fe_3O_4$). When you pull the barrel out, the red rust will have turned a dull, matte black. &#091;10&#093; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. Carding the Loose Oxide<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Let the barrel air dry (the heat of the metal will dry it instantly). Use your degreased #0000 steel wool or carding brush to gently rub the barrel. This removes the loose, powdery outer layer of oxide, revealing a faint, smooth, dark grey-blue layer underneath.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 6. Repeating the Cycle<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; A single pass will look thin and uneven. Repeat steps 2 through 5 completely. Each cycle deepens the color and builds the layer of protection. Most barrels require 5 to 8 full cycles to achieve a deep, rich, uniform factory black.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 7. The Final Cure<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Once the desired depth of color is reached after the final carding, coat the warm barrel heavily in a water-displacing gun oil or water-displacing preservative. Let it sit for 24 to 48 hours to cure, cure the metal, and seal out future moisture.<br><br><span></span></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : this is looking awesome. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=386">J-S</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 11:56am<br /><br /><div>this is looking awesome.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : Heating up a barrel to red hot+...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 10:53am<br /><br /> Heating up a barrel to red hot+ and quenching it in oil is how you harden metal. It would also present the problem of being able to block the barrel so the bluing didn't take effect inside.<br /> Then theres the whole warping of the barrel issue. <br /> The way to bring the metal back after hardening is to bring it back up to heat and cool it slowly.<br /> Having worked around die casting, and needing a durable coating on the products after wards, powder coating was used.<br /> This required a bath in various cleaning chemicals, then the metal objects were hung with a low voltage running through them sprayed with the coating power. The static charge allows the powder to adhere to the metal in an even thickness. After that it is baked on at much lower temperature.<br /> It would also allow the barrel to be blocked with something as simple as a plug while spraying and removed for baking.<br /> Its a durable coating and unlike bluing isn't reactive to hand sweat.<br /> A single object can be done along side production objects with no extra set up needed.<br /> I don't know why it is not used. <br /> Colour options are as varied as paint.<br /> It could be an alternative to blueing.<br /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by kruzaroad - 29&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 10:55am</span>]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : I haven&amp;#039;t had much luck with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=622">jwabfrog</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 10:03am<br /><br /> I haven't had much luck with cold blueing - your prep i.e., polishing the steel to a mirror finish and removing all traces of grease is absolutely critical to the final finish and even then it doesn't seem to be nearly as robust or shiny as a hot blued finish. Hot blueing seems to be relatilvely straightforward i.e. red hot into engine oil, but you are messing with the steel at red hot temperatures and I don't know enough about tempering to restore its original properties.<div><br></div><div>That aside you've done an awesome job on the pistol!</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 10:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : Nunga, hand filed and hand sanded....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Pauly5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 7:27pm<br /><br />Nunga, hand filed and hand sanded. I didn't want a perfect polished finish.<div><br></div><div>Kruz, I think I agree. I might polish the barrel. If it doesn't look any good it'll be ready to blue, but it should look good.</div>]]>
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   <title>Valve mod - pcp pistol : Band looks great pauly. Personally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2026 at 6:51pm<br /><br /> Band looks great pauly.<br /> Personally i think strip the blueing on barrel. Polish it. To me it doesn't suit a black barrel. A black moderator,sight and chassis tend to make a balanced contrast.<br /> Or strip it back and cold blue the whole barrel again.]]>
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